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Six Six Six
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:09:00 -
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TharOkha wrote: Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"
That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:04:00 -
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Although this is not directly related it's worth saying as people get confused over this.
I'll use WoW as an example as you can buy directly from their shop with real currency.
If you pay for a Celestial Mount (I did when I was drunk once) you are not buying the Celestial Mount, you are paying for the use of it and helping to pay towards it's development costs. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:54:00 -
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Sol Kal'orr wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Sol Kal'orr wrote:Oh my, the comments on that Yahoo article. I know it's Yahoo, but wow. Free speech site. My favorite news site since 1998. Older than Google. Older than Facebook. Older than Twitter. To think the youngest kids playing EvE today was just born then. Enlighten the group, how does old mean good?
He didn't say it's good, just that it's his favourite news site.
Which means very little to the rest of us. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:05:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Six Six Six wrote:TharOkha wrote: Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"
That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value. Wrong. The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise.
Actually you're wrong in part.
You paid RL cash for the PLEX - correct
But as soon as you redeemed it in-game that PLEX became an in-game item (object) that has no RL cash value.
No items (objects) in-game have a RL cash value which is why CCP own everything in-game. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 16:04:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Six Six Six wrote:TharOkha wrote: Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"
That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value. Wrong. The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise. Actually you're wrong in part. You paid RL cash for the PLEX - correct But as soon as you redeemed it in-game that PLEX became an in-game item (object) that has no RL cash value. No items (objects) in-game have a RL cash value which is why CCP own everything in-game. Edit: But of course that doesn't stop people comparing in-game items to RL cash values, people just like to do that sort of thing. But the real value is nothing as there is no RL cash value on in-game items. Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it. Since you can buy PLEX then exchange it for ISK and then exchange it for goods, every item in the game has a cash value because it can be purchased using cash instead of in game currency. That is why people will always keep on comparing it, not because they automatically assume that the item or ship has been bought with cash but because this game allows you to apply a cash equivalent to the value of any item.
Every item in-game has an in-game value but not a real currency value. I'm aware of the process in purchasing PLEX from CCP, done it a few times myself in the past.
PLEX does give you a reference to be able to make a comparision (or at least an estimate as the isk price varies) but that doesn't change the fact that the in-game items have no real currency value only an in-game currency value and isk doesn't have a real currency value either. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:58:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Six Six Six wrote: Every item in-game has an in-game value but not a real currency value. I'm aware of the process in purchasing PLEX from CCP, done it a few times myself in the past.
PLEX does give you a reference to be able to make a comparision (or at least an estimate as the isk price varies) but that doesn't change the fact that the in-game items have no real currency value only an in-game currency value and isk doesn't have a real currency value either.
You don't seem to fully understand what the word "value" means in this context. You don't actually have to be able to GET a certain amount of money for something in order for it to have a certain value. Time, for instance, has a value. I can't sell you an hour for $28, but to me that's what an hour is worth. Something can have worth, even if no avenue exists to actually generate wealth. Of course, all of this is ignoring the simple and obvious fact that you CAN generate wealth from these items. Just because it's against the rules of the game doesn't mean it's not possible. It is, in fact, quite simple. So the argument is further moot - these items have both worth and the ability to generate actual money. So even if you weren't wrong, you would still be wrong. Neat.
So what you're saying it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it, in the case of say an RMTer which is kind of what you're referring to at least in part.
Someone buys a piece of coal for $50 that does not mean that piece of coal is worth $50.
I myself have knowingly purchased goods in excess of what they're worth in some cases 6 or 7 times more. Which had nothing to do with games btw.
You're not allowed to sell items from within the game for real money. Someone paying real money for something in-game gets an in-game item that is worthless, more worthless than a piece of coal. Plus they have the added benefit of being banned. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:47:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Six Six Six wrote: You're not allowed to sell items from within the game for real money. Someone paying real money for something in-game gets an in-game item that is worthless, more worthless than a piece of coal. Plus they have the added benefit of being banned.
You're not allowed to sell coke, either. Are you telling me a brick of coke is worthless?
It's worthless to me. It has a street value but again it's what someone is willing to pay for it and they will pay over the odds for it.
In EVE, you have an account, you can use that account and everything attached to that account, but you don't own what's on that account. It's your character as you developed it but you don't own it. |
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:08:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Six Six Six wrote:In EVE, you have an account, you can use that account and everything attached to that account, but you don't own what's on that account. It's your character as you developed it but you don't own it. You do however, control access over 'your' account; and that access is sometimes sold by less than reputable people for real world dolla dolla.
There again they are only buying access to a game via that account and the use of what is on that account and face a ban if caught. The items in-game still remain worthless. |
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:44:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:GreenSeed wrote:... there's an equivalence between plex and isk, yeah... but no one ever buys a ship for money like that... right?right? Eve history seems to show the contrary, it's not aloud, it's not cool yadaya but Eve and RMT is not really hard to find articles and offers about this. Just don't do it.
People spend cash to get access to ships, but they don't own those ships they just have the use of them.
PLEX is like a gift card worth something until it's used. You use PLEX when you redeem it, at that point it enters the game.
You don't own items in-game including isk you just pay a subscription for their use.
CCP can't afford to have people owning things in-game it could make it very complex if for some reason they just stopped the game indefinitely. Especially if people considered they had large sums of money of their own in-game. With everything being worthless in-game and belonging to CCP they would have no such problem especially as all players have agreed to their terms. |
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:22:00 -
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symolan wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Gnaw LF wrote: Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it.
The moment that the PLEX enters the game it has exactly 0 "cash value" - you can't get any amount of RL cash for it. You have to realize what you buy with your cash: You don't buy items - you save yourself grinding time. If you have a 100M/hour activity in eve, you saved 5 hours of grinding time when you sell a PLEX bought for RL cash. But you can't reverse the transaction - grinding 5 hours will only get you the PLEX, not the RL cash. great to see someone care for semantics. it borders on pedantic however. If I wanted to buy me the ship on day 1 of my EVE carreer, what would I need to do? I'd have to buy PLEX for few thousand dollars, then I'd buy the ship (and then I'd notice that I can't fly it and ragequit)... so, there's quite a straight line from dollars to ship. straight enough for the rest of the world to see a connection. If some lawyers don't get it cause in their world everything's special anyway...
The rest of the world... a lot of that rest of the world wouldn't even have a clue about MMOs except what they're told and even more wouldn't understand PLEX.
You would buy PLEX from CCP, then redeem those PLEX and you would receive the item (PLEX) in-game, at which point the dollar line stops as you have the in-game item. From then on it's only in-game items that effect it.
People make comparisons because it sounds more interesting. Like a guy spends $9k on a ship that gets blown up now that sounds better than a guy spends $9k on a service. |
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:42:00 -
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symolan wrote:Six Six Six wrote: People make comparisons because it sounds more interesting. Like a guy spends $9k on a ship that gets blown up now that sounds better than a guy spends $9k on a service.
you may be right regarding the rest of the world EDIT: regarding MMO's... but, to the rest of the world the distinction between spending 9k on a product or on a service is Irrelevant! honestly, when you heard about that loss, didn't you calculate?
No I didn't calculate.
Because when I spend cash on in-game items (if direct shop payment, not EVE) or PLEX, I just right it off as it's only a service I'm paying for. I don't think my ship is worth $100 because I know it's worth $0 and I don't even own it anyway.
It wouldn't be the company's fault the guy spent $9k on their service he would be an adult after all (referring to my quote you quoted).
Actually this is part of why some people don't want to lose ships as some people view it as losing real money, which of course they're not.
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